Comments on: Sometimes We (the Church) Just Get it Wrong http://rosemadridswetman.com/2008/04/04/sometimes-the-church-just-gets-it-wrong/ Random Thoughts, Stories of Life, and Questions About the Journey. Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:55:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jim Mathwig http://rosemadridswetman.com/2008/04/04/sometimes-the-church-just-gets-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-233 Jim Mathwig Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:05:18 +0000 http://rosemadridswetman.com/2008/04/04/sometimes-the-church-just-gets-it-wrong/#comment-233 Thanks Rose. Discovering that the Bible in these "technical" ways supported slavery started my journey away from being a literalist. The church in our own context has an ongoing responsibility to interpret the word of God into that context. The fact that the Bible seemed to allow slavery was not a timeless truth to be extracted but a demonstration that God comes into our human stories. Seeing God allowed so much of our humanity in His story should lead us to engage God in the journey and not try to fix Him by extracting disembodied truths from scripture. Attempting to pull out truth propositions seems to be about having truth we can control so that we don't need to keep engaging God. In this we end up profoundly not representing him whether supporting slavery or denying the equality of women. Thanks Rose. Discovering that the Bible in these “technical” ways supported slavery started my journey away from being a literalist. The church in our own context has an ongoing responsibility to interpret the word of God into that context. The fact that the Bible seemed to allow slavery was not a timeless truth to be extracted but a demonstration that God comes into our human stories. Seeing God allowed so much of our humanity in His story should lead us to engage God in the journey and not try to fix Him by extracting disembodied truths from scripture. Attempting to pull out truth propositions seems to be about having truth we can control so that we don’t need to keep engaging God. In this we end up profoundly not representing him whether supporting slavery or denying the equality of women.

]]> By: amy powell http://rosemadridswetman.com/2008/04/04/sometimes-the-church-just-gets-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-222 amy powell Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:43:52 +0000 http://rosemadridswetman.com/2008/04/04/sometimes-the-church-just-gets-it-wrong/#comment-222 I love this approach to considering the ridiculous notion of the oppression of women. Some questions about the slavery issue directly though, too: 1. Why didn't Paul and others take a strong stand against slavery? 2. Are we supposed to be 'okay' with the cultural excuse? 3. Or the timing excuse? 4. When is it ever a 'good' time to take a stand for what's right? 5. Isn't this one of the best examples of how human biblical people were flawed as well? Just because Paul didn't address it, didn't make it okay that he didn't address it. It's unfortunate, in my mind, that he addressed it at all. I think his 'efforts' helped to perpetuate the oppression. any thoughts out there?? I love this approach to considering the ridiculous notion of the oppression of women. Some questions about the slavery issue directly though, too:
1. Why didn’t Paul and others take a strong stand against slavery?
2. Are we supposed to be ‘okay’ with the cultural excuse?
3. Or the timing excuse?
4. When is it ever a ‘good’ time to take a stand for what’s right?
5. Isn’t this one of the best examples of how human biblical people were flawed as well? Just because Paul didn’t address it, didn’t make it okay that he didn’t address it. It’s unfortunate, in my mind, that he addressed it at all. I think his ‘efforts’ helped to perpetuate the oppression.

any thoughts out there??

]]> By: Tracy Simmons http://rosemadridswetman.com/2008/04/04/sometimes-the-church-just-gets-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-221 Tracy Simmons Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:35:00 +0000 http://rosemadridswetman.com/2008/04/04/sometimes-the-church-just-gets-it-wrong/#comment-221 WOW! What an analogy....lots to think about here! WOW! What an analogy….lots to think about here!

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