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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://rosemadridswetman.com/2008/08/10/finding-our-way-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1293</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a small world.  We were there Rich and I and some other folks (Jim Henderson, Dave Richards, they had just started Off the Map).  Winn is a part of our community and my doctoral supervisor.  I would love to email you offline.  I will go to your site.  Are you in Kelowna?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a small world.  We were there Rich and I and some other folks (Jim Henderson, Dave Richards, they had just started Off the Map).  Winn is a part of our community and my doctoral supervisor.  I would love to email you offline.  I will go to your site.  Are you in Kelowna?</p>
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		<title>By: len</title>
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		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose, no way  :)  It&#039;s a small world eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose, no way  <img src='http://rosemadridswetman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   It&#8217;s a small world eh?</p>
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		<title>By: NextReformation &#187; attention and non-attention</title>
		<link>http://rosemadridswetman.com/2008/08/10/finding-our-way-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator>NextReformation &#187; attention and non-attention</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] survey of track-back links to my blog. Ah.. there was one to Pat Loughery, who linked a review by Rose Madrid-Swetman on McLaren&#8217;s latest, &#8220;Finding Our Way Again: The Return of the Ancient [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] survey of track-back links to my blog. Ah.. there was one to Pat Loughery, who linked a review by Rose Madrid-Swetman on McLaren&#8217;s latest, &#8220;Finding Our Way Again: The Return of the Ancient [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://rosemadridswetman.com/2008/08/10/finding-our-way-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1279</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Len,
Yes I do think we struggle because of the speaker&#039;s lack of attentiveness and maybe the way a speaker chooses what to speak on...I don&#039;t like speakers at my worship gathering that feel like motivational speakers. While encouragement is one aspect of &#039;preaching&#039; I think for the speaking time to be formative as Brian suggests requires attentiveness on both sides.

I was at that same gathering in Eagle, Idaho...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len,<br />
Yes I do think we struggle because of the speaker&#8217;s lack of attentiveness and maybe the way a speaker chooses what to speak on&#8230;I don&#8217;t like speakers at my worship gathering that feel like motivational speakers. While encouragement is one aspect of &#8216;preaching&#8217; I think for the speaking time to be formative as Brian suggests requires attentiveness on both sides.</p>
<p>I was at that same gathering in Eagle, Idaho&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Find our way again &#124; The Christian Imagination</title>
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		<dc:creator>Find our way again &#124; The Christian Imagination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new book, Finding Our Way Again: The Return of the Ancient Practices, on his blog, and points to this post for a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] new book, Finding Our Way Again: The Return of the Ancient Practices, on his blog, and points to this post for a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: len</title>
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		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I finished reading your summary.. I wasn&#039;t very attentive, taking this moment in the middle of working on a long paper...

Could it be that one reason we struggle with attentiveness to the speaker at our gatherings is that too many speakers have not first been attentive themselves? And so the word is stillborn..  Its a huge problem.. I know it in my own practice, and I see it in others. Too many distractions. Augustine wrote that the essence of sin is dissipation..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I finished reading your summary.. I wasn&#8217;t very attentive, taking this moment in the middle of working on a long paper&#8230;</p>
<p>Could it be that one reason we struggle with attentiveness to the speaker at our gatherings is that too many speakers have not first been attentive themselves? And so the word is stillborn..  Its a huge problem.. I know it in my own practice, and I see it in others. Too many distractions. Augustine wrote that the essence of sin is dissipation..</p>
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		<title>By: len</title>
		<link>http://rosemadridswetman.com/2008/08/10/finding-our-way-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1267</link>
		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished Part I and feel a little let down. But then, I&#039;ve been on this road a while. You&#039;re right that it&#039;s a great introduction for those unfamiliar with the territory. I&#039;m looking fwd to Part II.

Incidentally, I think it was Gordon Cosby back in the 60s that made a distinction between &quot;selfing&quot; practices and &quot;othering&quot; practices. The Cosbys and the Church of the Savior were &quot;emerging&quot; before the word was invented, forming essentially a missional order and a rule of life with a covenant structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished Part I and feel a little let down. But then, I&#8217;ve been on this road a while. You&#8217;re right that it&#8217;s a great introduction for those unfamiliar with the territory. I&#8217;m looking fwd to Part II.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I think it was Gordon Cosby back in the 60s that made a distinction between &#8220;selfing&#8221; practices and &#8220;othering&#8221; practices. The Cosbys and the Church of the Savior were &#8220;emerging&#8221; before the word was invented, forming essentially a missional order and a rule of life with a covenant structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Manders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Manders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very positive and enthusiatic review. Thanks very much. I will now have to purchase the book, along with the book by Robert Benson in the same series which will be similiarly helpful about revitalising the practice of prayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very positive and enthusiatic review. Thanks very much. I will now have to purchase the book, along with the book by Robert Benson in the same series which will be similiarly helpful about revitalising the practice of prayer.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rose, I really liked Brian&#039;s new book too. I read it because Jim recommended it to me :)

My review of it is &lt;a href=&quot;http://conversationattheedge.com/2008/07/14/finding-our-way-again-by-brian-mclaren/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, if you&#039;re interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rose, I really liked Brian&#8217;s new book too. I read it because Jim recommended it to me <img src='http://rosemadridswetman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My review of it is <a href="http://conversationattheedge.com/2008/07/14/finding-our-way-again-by-brian-mclaren/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rose.  You have really whetted my appetite to go out and get this book and read it.  A really good review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rose.  You have really whetted my appetite to go out and get this book and read it.  A really good review.</p>
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